Churches have become a reflection of our corrupt governments, organizations, & corporations.  The bottom-line is all that matters.  To hell with struggling taxpaying citizens, as well as morals, ethics, sovereignty, our standard of living, our rule of law, the Constitution and our Founding principles and stock.

Many have become nothing more than an extension of government school indoctrination into various forms of Collectivism, self-destruction, and slavery.  Citizens who are forced to pay for illegal aliens are slaves and the exploited aliens are slaves as well.   

The enemies within are far more dangerous than concocted or real foreign ones.

As always, follow the money and constantly question….who benefits??

Jean Allen replied:

        You are so right.  I'd like to take my grandson to a Southern church with a pastor
I can respect.  However, it's hard to sit in the pews and listen to the Christian-Zionist heresy presented as if it were the word of God.
          I am fortunate to have located a website called <whtt.org> where the roots of Christian Zionism are exposed.  This has helped me tremendously.
           The preachers are beginning to "mention" the Constitution and our Founding Fathers; but then they conclude with the Zionist propaganda that the most serious threat comes from Islam, rather than our own government (an extension of political Israel). There is no way that these preachers and their congregations will get off the pews and fight for freedom until
they stop doing Israel's bidding and fight our own corrupt government.
            It's frustrating and it's tragic.  Christians don't want to get into the divisive Zionist debate;  But, until we admit that Washington, D.C. is an extension of political Israel in the form of AIPAC, ADL, UCLU, etc......we can't fight for our survival.
            Zionist Christians are being used by political Israel to turn America into an anti-Christian nation.  Until we can convince the Christians that the United States of Israel is
more a threat to our freedoms than Islam, we will continue to aid our own destruction.
             Christianity has become meaningless,  We should call ourselves followers of Christ to distinquish ourselves from them.

             Jean Allen
             Tuscaloosa

Margi replied:

IMHO, the problem with most churches is that they incorporate under

501(c)3 and thus become a creature of the state and transfer their

allegiance from Christ to government.   They then have to preach as the

government commands and not address subjects that the government does not want exposed.

Margi

EVANGELICALS: Your Leaders Endorsed Mass Amnesty Today

By Roy Beck, Updated Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:41 PM EDT

Leaders of most of the nation's evangelical Christians made a shocking endorsement of illegal-alien amnesty today in Senate testimony.

Their spokesman -- the head of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) -- said high immigration is increasing membership in evangelical churches and is good for the economy.

Polls have shown that evangelical Christians in the pews are the MOST likely to OPPOSE amnesty. If you are one of them, you may want to contact your church leaders immediately. 

The NAE phone number is:  202-789-1011 ---   Fax number is 202-842-0392

The NAE email address is:  executivedirector@nae.net   and  govaffairs@nae.net

Please be respectful and thoughtful in your comments to the NAE. I would suggest that only evangelical Christians make the contacts.

NATIONAL EVANGELICALS PRESIDENT SAYS PRO-AMNESTY SUPPORT WAS UNANIMOUS

Rev. Leith Anderson, president of the NAE, was invited by Sen. Shumer (D-N.Y.) to testify in favor of the Senate immigration chairman's push to create amnesty legislation this fall. 

Sen. Shumer asked Rev. Anderson if many of his colleagues agree with his support for legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens and increasing the legal immigration far higher than the 1 million a year current level (the two key components of "comprehensive immigration reform").

Rev. Anderson answered that there was no dissent in adopting the pro-amnesty resolution on the 75-member NAE board of directors.

ZERO dissent!

SOME OF THE DENOMINATIONS & ORGANIZATIONS BEHIND THE AMNESTY PUSH

Rev. Anderson described the NAE as:

. . . a network of 40 denominations comprising more than 45,000 local churches located in every congressional district and every state. The NAE membership also includes evangelical universities, seminaries, ministries, local congregations, and individuals.

Here is the list of the denominational members:  http://www.nae.net/membership/current-members

Notable among the members are:

• Anglican Mission in America -- Phone: 843.237.0318 -- Fax: 843.237.4008 -- info@theamia.org -- Chairman Charles H. Murphy III's Chief of Staff: sgrayson@theamia.org
• Assemblies of God -- Phone: 417-862-2781 --  Toll Free: 1-877-840-4800 -- Email: Contributions@ag.org, General SuperintendentGeneralSuperintendent@ag.org, or from this page:  http://ag.org/top/contact.cfm 
• Brethren in Christ Church -- Phone: 717.697.2634 -- bic@bic-church.org
• Christian Reformed Church in North America -- Phone: 616-241-1691 or 1-877-279-9994 ----  Fax: 616-224-0803 --- E-mail: crcna@crcna.org
• Church of God -- Phone: 765-648-2125 --Toll Free: 1-800-848-2464
• Church of the Nazarene -- Phone: 913.577.0500 -- E-mail from this page: http://nazarene.org/contactus.aspx
• Churches of Christ In Christian Union -- Phone: 740.474.8856 -- Email from this page: http://www.cccuhq.org/component/option,com_contact/task,view/contact_id,8/Itemid,89/ 
• Conservative Lutheran Association
• Evangelical Assembly of Presbyterian Churches -- Email from this page http://www.ea-pc.org/aboutus/contact.htm
• Evangelical Presbyterian Church -- Phone: 734-742-2020 - Fax: 734-742-2033 -- Email: webmaster@epc.org
• Evangelical Free Church of America -- Phone: 1-800-745-2202 -- Email: webmaster@efca.org
• Fellowship of Evangelical Churches -- Phone: 260-423-3649 -- Email: fecministries@fecministries.org
• Free Methodist Church of North America -- Phone: 317-244-3660 -- Toll Free: 1-800-342-5531 -- Email: info@freemethodistchurch.org
• General Association of Regular Baptists -- Telephone: 1-888-588-1600 -- Fax: 847-843-3757 -- E-mail from this page:  http://www.garbc.org/news/?page_id=335
• International Church of the Foursquare Gospel -- Phone: 1-888-635-4234 -- Email from this page: http://www.foursquare.org/contact/
• International Fellowship of Christian Assemblies -- Phone: 724-962-3501
• International Pentecostal Church of Christ -- Phone: 740-852-4722 -- Email: General Overseer c.hughes@ipcc.cc
• International Pentecostal Holiness Church -- Phone: 405-787-7110 -- Email: info@iphc.org
• Presbyterian Church in America -- Telephone: 678-825-1000 -- Fax: 678-825-1001-- Email: ac@pcanet.org
• Primitive Methodist Church USA -- Phone: 215-675-2639 -- Email: Rev. Kerry R. Ritts, President  revkrr@aol.com
• Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America -- Phone: 412-731-1177-- Email from this page: http://reformedpresbyterian.org/index.php?option=com_contact&task=view&contact_id=4&Itemid=71
• The Brethren Church -- Phone: 419.289.1708
• The Christian & Missionary Alliance -- Phone: 719-599-5999 -- Email: webmaster@cmalliance.org
• The Evangelical Church -- Phone: 763-424-2589 -- Email: ecdenom@usfamily.net
• The Salvation Army --- E-mail at:  NHQ_Webmaster@usn.salvationarmy.org  --- 703-299-8314 --- toll free 800-725-2769 --- fax 703-684-3478
• The Vineyard, USA --- Phone: 281-313-8463  -- Fax: 281-313-8464 -- Email:  info@vineyardusa.org
• Transformation Ministries -- Phone: 626-915-7641 -- Toll Free: 1-800-299-3448 -- Email: crc@transmin.org
• United Brethren in Christ -- Phone: 260-356-2312 -- Email from this page: http://www.ub.org/forms/feedback.html
• US Conference of the Mennonite Brethren Churches -- Phone: Midwest Office 316-558-8688 or Toll Free 1-800-257-0515, West Coast 661-412-4939 -- Email: Executive Director, Ed Boschman ebed@usmb.org
• The Wesleyan Church Corporation -- Phone: 317-774-7900 -- Email: information@wesleyan.org

If you have a connection with any of these denominations, you may want to contact them and ask if they really want to side with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Council of La Raza in flooding the country with millions more legal foreign workers while 15 million Americans are looking for a job but can't find one.

There is a good chance that even the leaders in your national church agencies are not really aware that their representative voted for a massive amnesty and increase in foreign worker importation.  

Rev. Anderson is Senior Pastor of Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn.  It describes itself as non-denominational with some Baptist connections.  http://www.wooddale.org/default/index.cfm 

EVANGELICAL OFFICIALS REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR MORAL ARGUMENTS FOR REDUCED IMMIGRATION

I would note that NumbersUSA and others have made requests to NAE for several years to present our moral arguments for less overall immigration to protect the stewardship of the nation's natural resources and to protect the nation's most vulnerable citizens.  The NAE has resolutely refused to hear any voice but pro-amnesty voices, as far as we have been able to tell.

When you read Rev. Anderson's prepared testimony, you find much that is thoughtful, including:

Evangelicals do not condone law breaking. . . . Evangelicals believe that government is a gift of God for the common good. Borders are necessary for public order. We support intelligent enforcement of our nation's immigration laws as long as the enforcement measures are consistent with respect for human dignity, family values and sanctity of human life.

-- Evangelicals President

But then Rev. Anderson told Sen. Shumer that the Gospel requires that Christians be willing to forgive illegal aliens for breaking immigration laws which means that:

We believe that undocumented immigrants who have otherwise been law abiding members of our communities should be offered the opportunity to pay any taxes or penalties owed, and over time earn the right to become U.S. citizens and permanent  residents. The process of redemption and restitution is core to Christian beliefs, as we were all once lost and redeemed through love of Jesus Christ.

-- Evangelicals President

Furthermore, the 75 national evangelical leaders agreed that immigration laws that have allowed legal immigration to soar from a traditional average of 250,000 a year to more than 1,000,000 a year are too strict and must be changed to allow many more foreign workers to enter.

FAULTY THINKING, FAULTY PROCESS, FAULTY ANALYSIS, FAULTY THEOLOGY 

The staff at NumbersUSA are members of the Evangelical, Catholic, Jewish, Mainline Protestant, Liberal Protestant and no religious faith. We all believe in ethical systems that say it is wrong to run an immigration policy that hammers down the weakest, poorest and unemployed members of our society while making it impossible to achieve environmental sustainability. It grieves our hearts to see evangelical leaders join national Jewish, Catholic, mainline Protestant and liberal Protestant leaders who have already fully endorsed amnesty and massive increases in foreign workers and U.S. population growth.

We have no doubt that all these national religious leaders have failed in their duties of fact-gathering and thoughtful analysis. They bring discredit on their religious faiths from their sloppiness in truth seeking and their lack of intellectual integrity. 

We call on all NumbersUSA members of faith to point us to leaders in their own religious traditions who are open to discussing the full ethical issues involved in immigration.

The NAE's call for forgiveness seems to ignore the Gospel context of "go and sin no more."

We do not call for a policy that locks up and throws away the key on foreign citizens who have broken our immigration laws.  Most of us are willing to let most illegal aliens return to their home countries under no penalty whatsoever.

But the NAE has proclaimed that our forgiveness of illegal aliens should allow them to keep the very things they broke the law to steal:  U.S. jobs and access to U.S. infrastructure.

How many billions of people in the world would like to line up for that kind of forgiveness?

We have pled with the NAE leaders (as we have with leaders of all other faith traditions) to talk to them about how mercy shown by governments can easily create injustice against a society's weakest members.  In general the Judeo-Christian scriptures call on individuals to show mercy but governments to provide justice.

When the government shows mercy, it allows people to break the rules.  But if breaking the rules harms law-abiding members of society, that mercy creates an injustice against them. 

I am especially devastated by the national evangelical leaders' callous disregard for the U-6 unemployment rate of nearly 20% -- job-seekers (active and recently discouraged) who cannot find any job or who have been forced into involuntary part-time work.

It is incredible to read Rev. Anderson's testimony talking about the failure in having enough immigration visas to fill the needs of the U.S. business community! 

I am embarrassed for him and his 74 colleagues.  I am sure they do not mean such inhumane treatment of their fellow Americans. And I am sure they dug themselves into this shameful hole with the most well-intentioned of shovels.

I suggest that the readers of this blog consider forgiveness toward these religious leaders while thoughtfully guiding them to see all the shades and complexities of the immigration issue to which they weren't exposed by the NAE staff and the open-borders lobby which led them to this pro-amnesty position.